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is an engineer who is badly needed, either way they are tremendously important to the economy. without a path to citizenship it is not a kind of system we should be continuing with. >> bill: what worries me a little bit congressman is some people are saying, of course, we're going to accept a path to citizenship. then they want to make it so long we're talking like some, i've heard 13 years and pay a fine and do all of this stuff. why make it so difficult? >> well, i think some people still have a problem with the idea that immigrants come here and contribute. i think if most americans would peek into any kitchen around the country or even maybe look out and see who's actually cutting the lawns or actually walking the babies down the nice neighborhoods, they would realize that immigrants are an integral part of the economy and something we depend on. i think if people looked at it that way they wouldn't be so mean about it. the idea that it should take 13 years for a path of citizenship is a mean-spirited feeling. but i think when people look at it economically, the sooner we get this done, t
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